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Democracy is not the Tyranny of the Majority or Mobocracy

 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:38 am    Post subject: Democracy is not the Tyranny of the Majority or Mobocracy Reply with quote

Democracy is not the Tyranny of the Majority or Mobocracy (the Rule by the Mob).

Democracy is a system of governance where the rules (or laws) of the community is set by the majority for the good and the benefits of the community as a whole, where such rules (or laws) are applied equally and fairly to all and sundry and where the dissenting minority agrees antecedently to accept the decision of the majority as their own. So in a true democracy, it is the decision of the community by the community for the community.

Whereas the Tyranny of the Majority is where the majority oppresses the minorities through the force of law or any other means, makes and imposes its decisions for its own benefits at the expense of the dissenting minorities who are often in opposition to such decisions.

Whereas Mobocracy is the Rule of the Mob. It is often anarchy where a relatively tiny minority reigns in the community, often violently and lawlessly against the majority.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 1:52 am    Post subject: Beginnings Reply with quote

Perhaps this is where we need to define for ourselves, a "Bill of Rights". This is the first "law" which provides for the people, demanding fair justice, equality, Liberty (which will be further defined by law), free speech ( however not lies or disfigure character which is also defined by law) etc.

From the Bill of Rights stems "law" or procedures which enforce and validate these rights.

A thought, Bruce Eggum
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: Beginnings Reply with quote

Hi Bruce, welcome to the TDC

A Bill of Rights is a good idea and you have been thinking about it for quite some time. So it is familiar ground for you.

If this is the case, I would suggest you propose what in your view are the necessary provisions for the Bill of Rights for the members’ consideration either at this forum or, better still, in a forum moderated by you. When we are ready you could then put forward a member’s Initiative Proposal for the members’ support, endorsement and possible adoption, if it is voted for by the members in accordance with the procedures spelt out in the Initiative Commission Category.

If you prefer the later, do email me the heading or wordings of your forum for inclusion in the Members’ Forum Category. Your forum's name is editable, when it is needed.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:52 am    Post subject: link broke Reply with quote

I received note you replied, but the link went no where. Could you check it?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread reminds me of when people accuse democracy as promoting a tyranny of the majority -- it makes me wonder if these anti-democratic forces are actually promoting a tyranny of the minority instead. What do they want? They'll decry the hobgoblins of mob rule from here to eternity, but they never offer up a viable approach to determining the true people's will with respect to public policy development. The anti-democrats put us all into a vicious cycle, where most of us are actually afraid to work toward beneficial community decisions. Meanwhile, our world descends into the chaos of corporate rule and the rule-by-zealots (and who elected them?). The anti-democrats would have us brain-washed into thinking that the "free market" is the new democracy. And they are dead wrong. Dollars don't equal public policy decisions.

OK, enough soapboxing.

There is always a "tyranny of the decision" that scales up as you add more people to the public policy decision-making process.

When a king or dictator rules, it's a tyranny of one.

When an oligarchy/aristocracy rules, it's a tyranny of a few.

When a strictly republican system rules, it's a tyranny of a group of selected (and in some cases, elected) elites.

When a representative democracy rules, it's a tyranny of elected representatives, with some power ostenibly held by the citizenry, who get to choose their reps every two or more years. Every citizen who chooses to participate influences, rather than controls policy. (Of course, replace 'citizen' with 'corporation' in contemporary U.S. politics)

When a direct democracy rules, it's a tyranny of everyone who chooses to participate. And they would control policy, ideally. Consider if we saw 1,000,000 citizens making federal policy rather than just 535 in the House/Senate. Wow.

Any way you cut it, there's the tyranny of each public decision, and each decision has a casualty. Not all decisions can be win-win. But I'm not saying this is bad. This *is* democracy.

Democracy is messy by nature. Democracy is a pale reflection of the true people's will. However, it is also the best tool for determining the people's will. It will never be perfect, as humankind will never be perfect, but it will have to do.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:25 pm    Post subject: On false accusations against true democracy Reply with quote

stevemagruder wrote:
This thread reminds me of when people accuse democracy as promoting a tyranny of the majority -- it makes me wonder if these anti-democratic forces are actually promoting a tyranny of the minority instead. What do they want? They'll decry the hobgoblins of mob rule from here to eternity, but they never offer up a viable approach to determining the true people's will with respect to public policy development. The anti-democrats put us all into a vicious cycle, where most of us are actually afraid to work toward beneficial community decisions. Meanwhile, our world descends into the chaos of corporate rule and the rule-by-zealots (and who elected them?). The anti-democrats would have us brain-washed into thinking that the "free market" is the new democracy. And they are dead wrong. Dollars don't equal public policy decisions.

OK, enough soapboxing.

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Yes, this thread is part of the forum meant to be a collection of false accusations against democracy and of the reasons why they are false.

You have stated some of the reasons why such false accusations are made against democracy. Yes, false accusations are usually made to deter or frighten the general public from their natural affinity for democracy.

Basically, they deceitfully portray democracy as something far worse than the existing inequalities, corruption and exploitation of the people. And often this is done by attributing to democracy the sins of undemocratic institutions and practices masquerading as the very essence of democracy.

So a sentiment very often heard is: 'True democracy got a bad name because of people voting out of ignorance and emotion'. It is like an evil spell cast over people over many generations. It is time that this spell be broken.

While it is true that people have often voted out of ignorance and emotion in many instances and in many places, it is false to attribute such voting to true democracy. The simple truth is that it is precisely owing to the absence of true democracy that people have voted out of ignorance and emotion. The undemocratic forces and institutions on one hand through the control of the media and state agencies keep the people ignorant, confused and emotional on the issues being voted on and, on the other, they conduct the voting through undemocratic procedures and institutions in the name of democracy including leaving the voters with no meaningful choice of the election candidates.

You have raised a very interesting topic on the “tyranny of the decision”. I shall discuss it as a new topic.

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